• Nov 6th 2006 at 7:06AM
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Last month, we reported that Ford would be offering F150 buyers the option of a diesel powerplant for the 2009 model year. At the time, it wasn't a stretch to think that an oil-burner would someday find its way under the hood of the Expedition, since both vehicles share the same front clip. That assumption proved true, when the Expedition's chief engineer, John Viera, told Automotive News that a diesel would be offered by the end of the decade.

Although a timeframe wasn't specified, expect the diesel-equipped Expedition to launch around the same time as its pickup truck counterpart, likely sporting a larger version of the 3.6-liter V8 shared by Land Rovers across the pond.

Viera points to the success of the diesel-powered Excursion, before it was discontinued, and the fact that any vehicle sold with a fuel-efficient engine is a hot commodity on showroom floors. The possibility of a diesel version of the Lincoln Navigator was also mentioned.

[Source: Amy Wilson/Automotive News (Sub. Req.)

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      • 8 Years Ago
      #2 Good shot at Hybrids, but of course you are a fan of Big 3 so you do not use your head often.

      How many first generation techs do you know who make profit or deliver everything one expects----hybrids did it.

      #2 By the time this Diesel thing will come to USA in 2009 things may change.

      FIRST you have to assume that new cleaner diesel will be available everywhere.

      SECOND you never even considered that as people will buy more and more and more diesel that prices will go up...but supply will not go up because here in USA we have not used diesel for a very long time and LOGISTICS may not be there to deliver diesel to every gas station very cheaply, we have been using gas so long that all the operations to making it and delivering it are smooth and are nearly flawless.

      THIRD, do not forget that Toyota and Honda by 2009 ALSO will come up with new vehicles. It's almost 2007, your Ford comes out in 2009, do you really think that Toyota will be seating there all this time, holding its thing like Bill Ford does during the episode of "Gay Eye for the straight Guy" NO, they will come up with something else. Not only does current Prius sells well, imagine what all new redesigned Prius or Civic will sell.

      • 8 Years Ago
      "Shame that those hybrid freaks have made it nary impossible for a good, cost effective diesel to find it's way into passenger cars."

      Yeah, it's not the fault of the oil refineries...for not wanting to invest in making the necessary changes to their plants so they can produce the NECESSARY low-sulfur fuel used by modern diesels.
      Nor is it the fault of all the car and truck companies for not producing a diesel engine that passes emissions standards.
      And it certainly isn't the fault of the U.S. government for A.) not caving into the interests of the CASH-POOR oil refiners (who really aren't the richest corporations on the planet) who would have produced low-sulfur fuel if only the government had given them much needed tax breaks.
      or B.) the government for not throwing smog emission standards for diesel powered vehicles "out the window" so that anything coming out of the tailpipe of any diesel powered vehicle, in any amount was A-OKAY. STUPID GOVERNMENT......

      Nope, according to John....it the hybrid "freaks" fault. That's why the only kind of vehicle you are ALLOWED to buy is one that has a hybrid powertrain.

      please note massive amount of sarcasm...
      • 8 Years Ago
      How about full size cars and trucks with Diesel-Electric Full Plug-in Hybrid with electric drive motors/generators (for regenrative braking) at each wheel. The vehicles could get between 70 MPG to 80 MPG. Sound far fetched?

      The Big Three successfully developed and tested the Ford Prodigy, the GM Precept and the DC ESX3 under the U.S. DOEs' Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles (PNGV) Program.

      They did this in 1993 !!!!!!!

      Now, why can't we buy them ?????

      The Big 2.5 must be waiting for some foriegn company to dominate this vast market ?????
      • 8 Years Ago
      We already have the ultra low sulfur diesel, nationwide.

      Diesel exhaust is not qualitatively "dirtier" than gasoline exhaust. It has more of some pollutants, and less of others. Uneducated people think diesel is "dirtier" because of the visible particulates.

      There is some reason to believe that the finer particulates found in gasoline exhaust is actually more dangerous.
      • 8 Years Ago
      #2 European fuel is more potent, and their diesel fuel is more finely processed so cleaner and it combusts with less emissions (I believe someone posted this last week). The difference in fuel potency might be the source of error in the mileage numbers... though a 33% increase is crazy IMO.
      • 8 Years Ago
      14. Mr_Oak: If we are someday able to eliminate oil imports from the Middle East through domestically produced energy sources including bio-diesel, how do you think that would affect the health and welfare of US citizens including those living in the Bronx?

      We all know the answer to that. You just described Uthopia, not in our lifetime bud. My response was aimed at those who thing that everything moving should have a diesel engine option. I say I think not. I am all for alternative means and methods, Dieselized everything is not the answer.

      Diesel is a step backwards, "clean diesel" is a sideways step at best. We need to look forward.
      • 8 Years Ago
      Shame that those hybrid freaks have made it nary impossible for a good, cost effective diesel to find its way into passenger cars. How the 3-pass Bluetec system from Benz failed for the E-Class is just absolute garbage... same goes with VW having to pull their TDIs out of the market for a while to go back and do tweaks. Many companies have some great diesel powerplants that we can't find here :(

      As an aside, can you believe that Consumer Reports claimed they couldn't get more than 43 mpg out of the Smart? I know all manner of expats and people in Europe who say they often get 60mpg in a Smart car... either we get horrible gas here, or they had Schumaker testing that Smart's CDI. Somehow I think Americans will continue to resist diesels so long as they carry in their head the notion of "hybrids = clean" ... "diesels = dirty semi trucks"
      • 8 Years Ago
      RZ - go ahead and Google these three concept cars by name, or the PNGV, to get the details of the very successful program from decade and a half ago. This technology is not difficult and it clearly is available today and has been for the past 15 years at minimum.

      When we add "BioDiesel" to the full plug-in, diesel-electric hybrids this nation would not need to import a single drop of foriegn oil. And, we would have expanded markets for farm products and open up completely new markets for switch grass, agricultural and other waste products - new jobs for Americans.

      Primarily using BioDiesel (at about B35) as the base fuel in full size vehicles that get up to 80 MPG would be a tremendous boost to cleaning the enviroment especially in terms of reducing Green House Gases (closed loop CO2 with the Bio portion of the fuel). And, we would not require any new infrastructure to use BioDiesel as it can be used in the same tanks and pumps currently in gas stations nation-wide.

      There are huge advantages to this system in terms of the environment, our economy, new jobs, and, maybe most importantly, in national security.

      I can only guess that the degree of collusion between the auto makers and the oil companies is enough to kill these types of ideas?

      And, unfortunately, it seems that no one in our government has the gumption to make it happen?
      • 8 Years Ago
      Mr_Oak: If we are someday able to eliminate oil imports from the Middle East through domestically produced energy sources including bio-diesel, how do you think that would affect the health and welfare of US citizens including those living in the Bronx?
      • 8 Years Ago
      It's about time man.We are all for shure taken by the big 3 and Fuel companies in N.A.I drive a 1/2 tonne PU for work and have the smallest V-6 and still only get 18 mpg.Europe has the smaller diesels for their larger vehicles /trucks , and get awesome fuel mileage.Who needs to go 120 MPH on a vehicle like this???Reduce the engine size in a CR Diesel,and get great mileage.What a concept!! Finaly...What the hell took so long?? DCX Started it first..Thanks DCX,,,now maybe it will filter in to all vehicles as an option for us.Trade off top end speed for torque,and economy.Kudos for ford as well..
      • 8 Years Ago
      what about the explorer, will it receive a diesel engine this decade?
      • 8 Years Ago
      They should have done that by the time the gas prices went high, that should keep the selling numbers of their SUV still in a good position, while they work on the small car line. Also they could do the same for the entire line of big cars (PU and SUV).

      As a rule, if it's a gas guzzler, throw the Diesel on it, at least as an option.
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