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Through the digital grape vine we came across an article on MSNBC that rehashes the impending battle between Ford, Chevy and Toyota on the full-size pickup front. We've heard this story before, hell, we've told this story before, but what caught our eye was close to the end of the article when MSNSB Business Editor Roland Jones tells us that the 2007 Toyota Tundra's top engine, the i-Force 5.7-liter V8, will produce 381 horsepower. Wow! We've been trying to get that info out of Toyota since the Chicago auto show back in February, and Roland just lets it roll of the tongue like he were quoting rear-seat leg room. Unfortunately no torque numbers were mentioned, though we're far from sure this number is accurate anyway.

If it is, the Tundra will have a significantly more powerful large V8 to offer customers than will Ford, Dodge or Chevy. The F-150 offers the 5.4-liter Triton V8 that produces 300 hp and 365 ft-lbs. of torque, while the Dodge RAM can be had with a 5.7-liter HEMI V8 producing 345 hp and 375 ft-lbs. of torque. Toyota, however, would clearly be aiming at Chevy if this number is accurate, as the Silverado's Vortec MAX 6.0-liter V8 produces 367 hp and 375 ft-lbs. of torque. Toyota promised us back in February that the Tundra would be able to tow 10,000 lbs. with this engine, though since then both Ford and Chevy have increased the maximum towing capacities of their half-ton pickups to 10,500 lbs. With such a powerful V8, the Tundra should have no trouble meeting and/or exceeding the new towing limits of the domestics. Of course, that's assuming the Tundra's frame can take it.

[Source: MSNBC via GMInsideNews]


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      • 8 Years Ago
      "63. Ford BOSS. 420+HP 420+TORQUE."

      -Those are good numbers on so many levels :-)
      • 8 Years Ago
      . and now why would anyone buy a truck from gm or ford when there is a better japanese design available?

      Paul, how do you know it's a better truck when it's not even out yet? You must be one rich dude if you can predict the future. How are you doing in the stock market? Pretty good I bet! The F-150 has had the smallest HP in the game for some time, and yet they STILL outsell the rest. As stated earlier, torque is were it's at. Do you think Ford & GM will let Toyota have it's way with the truck market like they have with the small car market? The let them have the small truck market in the past because it wasn't profitable, for them, anyway. As you have most likely noticed Ford & GM (and now DCX) need to sell profitable vehicles (trucks). They're not going to just give up. I believe Ford has re-dedicated itself to devloping the 6.2L Hurricane engine for the F-150 for '08 or '09, along with a new (for the F-150) diesel.
      • 8 Years Ago
      Import vehicles may be known to produce high-end power with lower low end torque, but that is only true for those with small displacement engines. With big displacement engines, the low-end toque arguement would not be a valid one.

      One arguement would be, a domestic engine makes 320 lbs of torque at 2,500 RPM, and an import engine makes 370 lbs of torque at 4,200 RPM, chances are, the import engine may have equalled or even surpassed the 320 mark at 2,500 RPM. Why not reward the guy that wants to push harder on the gas peddle? Thats where the extra RPM comes to play, because it probably can handle more.

      Ugly trucks? Dodge Rams are horrendous. How often do most trucks get a redesign?... 10 years? I am not a truck driver. I have no passion nor hatred for trucks, but these are my inputs and competition is always a good thing. The better the competition, the more incentive to build better products for the consumers.
      • 8 Years Ago
      Yo Toyota lovers, bet you didn't know that one of the reasons that the new Tundra launch was delayed was because it found out that GM was putting in the luxury interior of there new SUV's. They stopped went back and did a few changes to compete. OH MY GOD GM actually caused a problem at Toyota. So um…Toyota is the benchmark??? Not this time if there is one thing GM does do right its there trucks! Yes GM is coming back, stop by the dealership and check out the new GM trucks, these are quality trucks and do I dare say the Benchmark?? Well okay maybe not until next year when they get the 6-speed in then they will be. And for the record LSX series engines my be pushrod engines but are in no way a low "tech" engine. When you add a camshaft and get ~70 hp that is bad ass design. Also people please go to the auto shows or dealerships and actually look at the vehicle before you add your .02. I go all the time and do look at all makes!
      • 8 Years Ago
      OK, so at some point they take that V8 and the platform underpinning the Lexus IS series, do a mock-retro-muscle two-door body (or two-plus-two-door, maybe) on it, and release a US-market youth-market beastie (Celica? Supra?) that hunts Mustangs.

      Anybody else find that an interesting idea?
      • 8 Years Ago
      When you talk about Toyota vers G.M., Ford, please remember RESALE value is higher with Toyota, did you ever try to find a used Toyota? G.M. Ford a plenty
      • 8 Years Ago
      40. people like you are the very cancer of the usa. YOU LOST THE CIVIL WAR GET OVER IT Southerner.

      Japanese, German, American who gives a shit the best overall car gets my hard earned USD$ not the one that waves the bs flag and plays the patriotic card for the zillionth time .

      thank god 98% of Americans are not like the posters on auto blog. They are too busy out working, earning a living instead of sitting on their asses bitching about a toyota pickup.

      Paul
      • 8 Years Ago
      and now why would anyone buy a truck from gm or ford when there is a better japanese design available?

      cant use the horsepower excuse any longer.


      build those F150 and silverados in China, cut the prices 40% and they will then compete with toyota.
      • 8 Years Ago
      72. Torque vs. Horsepower 101...

      Torque is a measure of force and horsepower is a measure of work. Horsepower is the more important figure. Here is why:

      formula to convert torque to horsepower
      hp = tq * rpm / 5252


      truck A generates 400hp at 7000 rpms
      truck B generates 300hp at 5000 rpms

      Both trucks have perfectly flat torque curves to make things simple.
      truck A generates 300 ft-lbs
      truck B generates 315 ft-lbs

      So, if judging by the engine torque, it looks like truck A is the lesser of the two. But the catch is the transmission. Truck A has an rpm advantage (7000 rpm redline vs. 5000 rpm). This allows Truck A to run a more aggressive final drive ratio.

      So, to keep things simple we will use a 1 speed transmission that only needs to turn the wheels at 5000 rpms.

      wheels rpms = Final Drive Ratio * 1:1 transmission * redline

      wrpms / redline = FDR
      TruckA FDR = 5000 / 7000 = 0.71
      TruckB FDR = 5000 / 5000 = 1

      Torque at wheels = FDR * 1:1 transmission * torque
      TruckA = 1:0.71 * 1:1 * 300 = 420 ft-lbs
      TruckB = 1:1 * 1:1 * 315 = 315 ft-lbs

      Basically, don't judge an engine by the torque. The torque is variable due to the transmission. Horsepower is not. Make no mistake, if Toyota's engine generates 381 hp...it is certainly more powerful than one that generates 300 hp.

      Posted at 11:22AM on Oct 27th 2006 by D


      GOOD post, D!

      i've known this for years! and for years, i have been more than happy with my '94 toy truck with a FOUR-banger.
      it towed a friend's truck some 60 miles. NO problem.
      it hauled a 350 cube V8 in the bed some 360 miles. at speeds to 70 - 75 mph. NO problem.

      this truck, btw, is rated to haul 3/4 tons. the main difference, is with the smaller bed, i 'spose a full sizer WOULD be better at hauling hay.

      big hp and tq #'s are mainly only for BRAGGIN' rites.

      for meaningful work, and getting up to 35 mpg, i'm perfectly happy with my 4 and a 5-speed.

      if i NEEDED a bigger box, i'd consider the tundra. and until i need to haul a boat or something, the V6 would suffice too.

      and i'd just LAUGH even more at all the poseurs, when i pass them at gas stations.
        Charles Mauer
        • 17 Days Ago

        i own a 2015 5..7b 381 hp 401 toqure and it is real trust me this thing is badd to the bone my truck is a tundra 4 wheel drive limited and it drive better then the ford raptor or any silveradao\ i have seen or drove 


      • 8 Years Ago
      61. #25 Dodge RAM is made in St.Louis and Dodge city MI

      Typical Jap car lover LIAR..
      Only diesel heave duty RAM is made in Mexico


      Actually joetalbot, I have an 06 Ram 1500 4.7 and if you crawl under it you will see stamped parts or stickers that read "Made in Mexico". Of course, that's not the whole truck or final assembly point, but the Ram 1500 is definitely not 100% USA. It's the way of business these days. Some Tacomas are made in Mexico. It's just a matter of cheaper labor + cheaper part cost = higher returns. I'd like to see Toyota go back to building the "Toyota pickup" before they started all this competition with the domestics. That was a great, durable little truck. If you got it in 4x4 you could go practically anywhere. That was the one they built their "durable, reliable" reputation on. Having said that, I don't see much point in blind brand loyalty. Get what works best for you, it's your money. Folks should keep in mind these are products and the only thing the companies care about is getting you to spend your money on their's. They'll use whatever tactic they think will work in order to make that happen. They're not paying you to drive their vehicle - you're paying them.
      • 8 Years Ago
      One of the main reasons why the domestics are struggling to stay alive is because of the HUGE payouts that they make to UAW pension plans. The cost to build an American car has to factor in an additional $2,000 to $4,000 to fund retirement packages for unionized factory workers. That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

      Additionally, the Japanese have managed to dominate almost every segment of the US auto industry because they make better quality cars and trucks. Plain and simple.
      Last month, Tacoma outsold both ranger and colorado, combined. In time, tundra will probably do the same.
      • 8 Years Ago
      "I think a huge portion of Autoblog Members are from those States you tend to fly Over as you commute from the East Coast to the West Coast hence their world revolves around Gas Prices and whatever Rubbish they were Brought Up to Believe, (Current Affairs is of no Use to them) It is all about The Way It Used To Be, Hence the advance of Foreign Auto manufacturers in the United States is something to Fight To The Death Resisting."

      LMAO. Yes, us SUV drivin' Americans worry about gas prices much more than the small car drivin' Europeans and Asians.

      UK-KID, you dissappoint me. You agreed with me in another post that we over here are quick to bash or own car makers and now it is fashionable to write that we are resisting to the death to keep foreign car makers at bay. So cosmopolitan of you.
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