http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/ Autoblog Comments for Chrysler developing dual-clutch tranny for FWD vehicles http://www.autoblog.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.autoblog.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/
What's the major advantage?]]>Oct 9th 2006 8:42AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/
I like the concept and execution of the DSG, and it shows how simple tinkering with a commonly technologically ignored component can cause a vast improvement that carries over across all companies. Too bad my stubborn self still needs a clutch pedal.


Edit: Amazingly, Porsche has touted the benefits of a DSG bu publicly stating that the DSG equipped 911 is actually faster than the manual 911!]]>Oct 9th 2006 9:37AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/Oct 9th 2006 9:44AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/dual-clutch-transmission.htm]]>Oct 9th 2006 9:59AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/
I don't know how the system manages low-speed creeping, which is where the torque converter has been most necessary in the past.

I conducted some polls over at VW vortex a few months back, to figure out if these things are really winning over die-hand stick shift enthusiasts. And they are.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2523313]]>Oct 9th 2006 10:05AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/
I think of the cost of the 6-speed torque converter box that was so great GM needed Ford to cooperate on it.

Can a DSG hook up another gear without a massive redesign?]]>Oct 9th 2006 10:36AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/Oct 9th 2006 10:48AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/
But now all Chrysler has to do is develope a nice looking FWD car. ]]>Oct 9th 2006 12:39PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/But they need 7 forward gears. The internal layout the current VW DSG is a gludge, what a terrible mess. Reverse and 1st are on the same shaft, stupid.

They don't shift gears, they transition gears. There is still a time when the engine is cut, that is the ridiculously short time of single digit milliseconds quoted.

Creep is managed by slipping the clutch, and amazingly park has a parking pawl.
]]>Oct 9th 2006 2:22PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/Is this true?
It had better be, since most vehicles sold are automatics( I do like the Shiftronic, in Hyundai Sonata V6, or the Optima I-4 and V6... 5 speed automatic, you can shift yourself. It is no DSG, but beats a regular automatic. Kind of reminds me somewhat of a motorcycle shifter?).
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-That's scary.]]>Oct 9th 2006 4:33PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/
I'd like to know how it's scary?

This has been in long development by Chrysler, since around 98 or so. The first test of it, was very public ME-Four-Twelve anyone?]]>Oct 10th 2006 1:30AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/
IT WASN'T ALL THAT LONG AGO WHEN ONLY F1 DRIVERS HAD ACCESS TO CARS EQUIPED WITH SEQUENTIAL GEARBOXES WITH PADDLE SHIFTERS. THEN THE TECHNOLOGY SPREAD INTO PRESTIGE MAKES LIKE FERRARI, LAMBORGHINI, ASTON MARTIN, MASERATI, CERTAIN AMG MERCEDES MODELS, BMWS..., BUT MUCH LIKE FUEL INJECTION, DISK BRAKES, ABS, RADIAL TIRES AND SYNCHRONIZED GEARBOXES BEFORE THEM, THE SEQUENCIAL GEARBOXES WILL SOON BECOME COMMONPLACE. THIS "NOVEL" TECHNOLOGY STILL RETAINS SOME CACHET, AND DESIGN ENGINEERS AT NEARLY EVERY LEVEL SEEM TO HAVE GOTTEN A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF IT VERY QUICKLY. AND I THINK THAT IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT YOU'LL FIND IT IN WIDESPREAD USE AMONG LOWER SCALE MANUFACTURERS BY EARLY 2007. EVERY SINGLE MANUFACTURER IS LOOKING FOR SOME KIND OF EDGE IN THE MARKETPLACE. FOR A WHILE, THAT EDGE WAS HYBRID TECHNOLOGY. BUT WITH OIL SUPPLIES NOW BEING INCREASINGLY PLENTIFUL AND STARTLINGLY INEXPENSIVE, HYBRIDS ARE SWIFTLY BECOMING LESS IMPORTANT. IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE SEQUENTIAL GEARBOXES ARE NOW POISED TO BECOME "THE NEXT BIG THING." I'M DAN SMITH ]]>Oct 10th 2006 3:27AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/
or Car and Driver's November 1997 'Make Mine Manumatic' article

and didn't own a 1991 Porsche with TipTronic.]]>Oct 11th 2006 8:10PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/09/chrysler-developing-dual-clutch-tranny-for-fwd-vehicles/
The entire industry seems to be currently going through an evolutionary transaxle design phase in an effort to alleviate this serious safety problem with automatic transaxles in FWD and F/AWD vehicles.

Just google for:

Toyota & hesitation

So absent a training program, a really serious training program set up by the industry to make the public more aware of the inate hazards of FWD I suspect we will not see a reversal of the current trend to NOT put stick shift transaxles in FWD or F/AWD vehicles.

Enough people have been killed or injuried already as a result of the greed of the industry.]]>Aug 29th 2007 8:04PM