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KABOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!]]>Sep 12th 2006 11:23AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/Cudos to BMW.
]]>Sep 12th 2006 11:26AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/No.. at least with natural gas vehicles no explosions have ever occured. Reason is that the gas evaporates more or less immediately after a crash..]]>Sep 12th 2006 11:30AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/
100% true. This is pointless. Why are they doing this?]]>Sep 12th 2006 11:47AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/
http://www.automobilesdeluxe.blogspot.com]]>Sep 12th 2006 11:47AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/
Everyone on the hindenberg that died did so from jumping (except for 1). Those that rode it out lived.]]>Sep 12th 2006 11:49AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/
torquey electric motor that develop full power at 1 rpm, with 1 moving part and an efficient chemical means of pulling energy from fuel is a bad idea!]]>Sep 12th 2006 11:50AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/
Ford was the first to market. I wouldn't be too quick to jump on the amazing german technology...

http://media.ford.com/newsroom/release_display.cfm?release=23844 ]]>Sep 12th 2006 11:55AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/09/p0027937.jpg]]>Sep 12th 2006 12:10PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/Sep 12th 2006 12:37PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/
Sure, we just have to figure out how to economically "mine" that hydrogen using energy sources other than fossil fuels, that's all.

By the way, that sentence should read, "unlike traditional gasoline and other fossil fuels..."]]>Sep 12th 2006 3:20PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/GIVE US ELECTRIC CARS DAMN IT]]>Sep 12th 2006 3:37PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/Sep 12th 2006 3:39PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/
Maybe an NEV...have you not seen the Tango, or the Tesla, or the tZero?

EV kit cars done right can do a third of that 0-60 time!]]>Sep 12th 2006 4:29PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/
1 - Hydrogen currently can not be refined without using lots of energy that comes from other sources. If these sources are "traditional" then the hydrogen is perpetuating environmental damage. If these sources are clean then why not use them to power cars directly?

2 - Burning hydrogen in an internal combustion type engine is the worst realistic option for using it as a fuel. It's inefficient, has all of the same packaging constraints as a conventional piston engine, and necessitates lots of moving parts (compared to say, a fuel cell).

3 - Short of using SUVs, the largest car BMW makes is the worst candidate for reducing environmental impact. 300 miles on 19.5 US gallons? That's 15.4 miles per gallon! I have a 1977 320i that gets 21mpg in the city and 28mpg on the highway. They call that 30 years of progress?]]>Sep 12th 2006 9:17PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/
Create a gasoline fuel cell and I'll be impressed.]]>Sep 13th 2006 9:39AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/
BMW 7 run on hydrogen will solve all the pollution and environment problems for you and bring fresh air and water right to your door. Thats the idea BMW propaganda machine wants you to eat and be influenced by.

How far can your BMW 7-series go on H2: 125 miles.

Where does this hydrogen come from: Not from your dad's carefully manicured garden, thats for sure.

It comes, hold your breadth, by burning coal and crude oil.

One wonders, how much more fraud are we ready to absorb. And how much lower will the propaganda machine stoop before the gullible news readers realize its just brain-washing and nothing else. ]]>Sep 14th 2006 3:11AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/
H2 is not always H2. And LH2 is a whole different animal. And of course, Hybrid is not Hydrogen.
H2 can be stored in a gaseous form under pressure or at ambient temperature without pressure. Because H2’s energy density, it take up a lot of space to get the same bang for your buck (or volume) as petroleum. GH2 under high pressure is more dangerous than LH2 in many ways. LH2 is usually stored at low pressure ~ 3-6 bar (less than a champagne bottle which has 7 bar). When released into an ambient environment, it dissipates almost immediately without much risk of explosion so long there are no ignition sources in the area. H2 under pressure (the industry’s current standard is ~ 300 bar, while some research is attempting to reach close to 700 bar) is more volatile due to the inherent explosive factor and subsequent ignition source of a container under extreme pressure. Tests done on CGH2 show it to be a safe substance under the right precautions. Road accidents and crash testing will prove this to be true or false.
LH2 on the other hand is very hard to handle because is must always be kept cold -253C°. Above this temperature, LH2 begins to boil and expand. As an example Gaseous H2 is ~ 830 times more voluminous than LH2. This means that with LH2, the BMW Hydrogen 7 gets better range than it would if it used GH2 and the tank would need to be much larger than it is today.
Hybrid is only the inevitable electrification of the internal combustion engine, just like carburetors were phased out, an electrical motor will be phased in. It’s nothing more spectacular than that. Manufacturers have different approaches. BMW has a holistic approach rather than a piece meal one like some.
The Hydrogen 7 is a stepping stone and a bridge to a new type of energy carrier (H2 is not an energy source, but rather a storage for energy released or collected from another source (sun, wind, geo-thermal, nuclear, …). Unfortunately, most of the worlds H2 is produce from fossil fuels.
The GM Model is a far reaching concept, which will perhaps in the distant future be a replacement for some modes of transportation like the ICE (internal combustion engine) powered personal vehicle. But it will remain to be seen how technology develops. FC’s need to withstand horrendous conditions as ICE’s do today. Unfortunately, experts believe this will be a long road until FC’s are far enough along to replace your average car. Heavy industry is also a major question mark.
The BMW concept is, as I mentioned, a bridge to the future. The Bi-Fuel concept allows a driver to drive in either mode, depending on fuel availability. Of course it will take some time for the costly infrastructure to develop, but as it does organically, like the petroleum business, the vehicle can run more and more on H2. The FC model from GM can’t do that, which is, realistically speaking, its major downfall in 2006. In 2020, this could be a different story. We will have to wait and see.
The BMW Hydrogen 7 is obviously not a redeveloped or completely new developed vehicle. It looks like the LH2 technology way squeezed into the vehicles original package, which is very clever. This way, BMW can save millions in R&D costs and is avoiding any major risks of developing a car that no one wants and being stuck with very costly initial costs like a new production facility or expensive tooling.
The FC and the H2-ICE story will continue to be exciting to watch. It is important to remember that if the industry moves too fast or is mandated by government to eliminate CO2 before the technology is viable or the infrastructure is available, billions will need to be spent for retraining and revamping or the current production facilities and well as suppliers in the ICE world we know today. The industry will be bankrupt and we will not need to care about the silly quips above. We will be back to living in urban areas, riding bicycles and horses before you know it.
And to MK2, Ford was not first to "market" since niether vehicles are being sold. BMW built the first H2 ICE concept 30 years ago. I guess this make BMW the pioneer and the rest are following suit. It really doesn't matter. What does matter is that global warming is real and fossil fuels are becoming more scarce. We all should welcome and support this and other technologies, no matter where they come from.
Cheers,

Argodelmar
]]>Sep 18th 2006 4:06AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/As for the Ford hydrogen vechicle, sorry, it is important who got it running, not who comes with ideas!

( thanks, Argodelmar, some people is frustrated when the oil / fosil use is threatened! )]]>Sep 19th 2006 9:13AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/bmw-introduces-the-hydrogen-7/Oct 10th 2006 2:43AM