• Aug 2, 2006
Stepping back from July's detailed sales data for a moment, at the big picture level it's worth noting that July marked the first time that Toyota sold more cars in the U.S. than Ford. Furthermore, year to date sales figures show that Toyota has outsold DaimlerChrysler (Chrysler Group and Mercedes-Benz combined) in the U.S. market.
Trying to draw attention away from his firm's growing presence in the U.S. market, Toyota Motor North America senior VP Dennis Cuneo said "It's not Toyota's intention to overtake any particular manufacturer," going on to echo Ford's Mark Fields (president, Americas) saying, "The U.S. market is really becoming the Big Six rather than the Big Three. You're going to have six substantial players here: GM, Ford, DaimlerChrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan, and maybe Hyundai as well..."

Might as well just go ahead and call it the Big Seven - Hyundai and its Kia subsidiary both posted record sales in July.

[Source: Bloomberg]


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      • 8 Years Ago
      "18. Ryan, I didn't say any US car is better than a Civic. My g/f had 2 civics in the past 5 years, and we drove the new one from NJ to TX & then from TX to CA. No way 45 mpg.

      Posted at 11:13AM on Aug 2nd 2006 by Shawn 0 stars"

      -Do you and her have a lead foot?! My friends civic is a 2003 DX base as shit it has A/C and a spoiler. I'm not sure, but I can honestly say it does get 42mpg I have driven from PHX to LAS many times with him and the numbers are there. Didn't Honda have the Civic "HX" or something like that in the late 90's that was also rated over 40mpg.

      But seriously (and not directed towards you)

      What USA Car company has a USA built compact car that is better than a Honda Civic, to be fair is HAS to also be built in the USA...
      • 8 Years Ago
      "I offer up my 1992 Saturn SC as being as good or better than a Civic."

      How about circa 2006?! Especially if you compare your 14 year old Saturn to a 2006 Civic.

      In the year 2006 What USA car make with a USA made car is better than a Honda Civic. In the year 2006, because well, that is what year we are currently in.
      • 8 Years Ago
      I want US makers to turn things around in the worst way, but I'm growing impatient. Will automobiles go the way of electronics? Maybe that's better for us, although it's hard to imagine a world without the Mustang and a few other American-to-the-bone cars.

      Automakers, the formula is simple...

      Quality assembly (abroad AND in America), quality components (good plastics, durable metals, ...), and good-to-great styling (both inside and out…for crying out loud, when did we forget about interiors?), all underscored with long-term VALUE to the customer.

      Build cars that look good-to-great that will last 20 years (we’ve all seen the car that looks good in its first year, but it takes a dive in year two, e.g., Hyundai). Do this no matter the expense. Would you rather build crap cars and lose money, or would you rather build cars that you and your fellow Americans can be proud of and lose money. If your choice is the latter, your losses won’t last long. If you build quality, in all the aspects mentioned earlier, consumers will come. What do you think Toyota has been doing since the days when we Americans referred to their products as Jap-crap? Pardon my French.

      Some might argue that this formula doesn’t take into consideration the difficult environment US automakers work within, high healthcare and pension costs. Come on now, don’t you think this is really just an excuse? Isn’t this a solvable problem? How can an assortment of foreign automakers build in the US and stay profitable? Maybe US automakers can move to a non-union state. That would send a message to whoever it needs to be sent to and preserve jobs, not to mention the American made car.

      Ok, there's my rant. US Automakers, don’t make me buy another Honda!
      • 8 Years Ago
      Dude, I just went to "Aol Autos" and cannot find where the Cobalt ranks "superior" to the Civic anywhere:

      I compared the cars and here ya go:

      http://aolsvc.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/asv/VehicleComparison;jsessionid=GQvKh71hdKST07dQncv4Wz8stmc8Tt9hJ1nFwJhdJFJ0y9cB5drL!1999026475?styleid=100653374&styleid=100552972&maxvehicles=5&refid=&op=3&tab=ratings
      • 8 Years Ago
      This is pretty frigging sad. American brand to make good cars - overseas. Opel is a respected brand in Europe, and Ford is a major player in small cars in both Europe and Asia. They just decided to built utter crap in the US. I have no idea why. The Focus is a quality, high-performance choice (due to their good rally teams) in Europe and Asia, and barely a rental car in the US. What the hell? It's not the domestic can't build quality cars, it's like they won't even try. It's all SUV and Truck in the US, and those things don't even export well. You know what's rare? A big old American Style truck any where else in the world. People in other countries actually buy trucks for work,and they don't buy no F-150's. I'd say if they are getting spanked they deserve it. They have everything going for them but decided to build garbage cars. Too bad. Only thing I care about the Cobalt or the G6 is how well it will do as my next vacation rental.

      This is a good thread. No Lithous and his racist banters. Not bad.
      • 8 Years Ago
      "Would you rather build crap cars and lose money, or would you rather build cars that you and your fellow Americans can be proud of and lose money. If your choice is the latter, your losses won’t last long."

      DJ, perfectly stated I WANT to love American cars again and there are a few I currently do, like the Mustang. But the above-listed is stated perfectly.
      far jr
      • 8 Years Ago
      67 John get a life... nobody can touch the Boeing 787 in technical superiority and efficiency (commercial aircraft). It is winning almost all head to head sales battles. The US is number one in almost all military technologies and associated electronics. Perhaps the long "cold war" sucked Americas best and brightest engineers away from the automotive and electronics industry and placed them with Aerospace and military contractors instead??? Last I heard Raytheon and Lockheed Martin still pay much better than Ford and GM!!!
      • 8 Years Ago
      "16. 45 mpg in a 2002 Civic? ...On "Mostly" hwy driving?"

      -Well I can personally 2nd the 45mpg statment my best friend owns a Civic and he gets about 42mpg on mostly highway driving.

      -Please you guys tell me what US compact car, MADE IN THE USA is better than a Civic?
      • 8 Years Ago
      Okay Ryan, we get it. You're a big fan of Honda. There is nothing wrong with being nationalistic. Japanese people are the most nationalistic people I know. So if some people buys a car because it is from a company owned by Americans, so what? Who cares.

      Does it bother you that much to the point of repeating yourself over and over again? There is no such thing as 1 thing for everyone.
      • 8 Years Ago
      "63. #58 Ryan..... AOL AUTOS ranks COBALT as good as or better than anything japan has to offer... as far as resale is concerned.. a used car is worth what you are willing to give... try selling your foreign car to a dealer if you want an eye opener."

      Oh I have plenty "o" times, and it is an eye opener and usually goes "holy shit honey the dealer is willing to give us this much for our used Japanese car"

      -If it is a bad as you say it is for a foreign car, try trading in an american one.

      -Look a 2002 Chevy Monte Carlo that retailed for $26,000 is now only worth barley 9,000 on a trade in. Pathetic and embarrasing as a US citizen that I have to rely on a foreign car for resalve value odds.

      -It's not like Toyota and Honda are some new car makers in the USA, they have been here for decades!!! This ain't a new thing, come on!!!!!
      • 8 Years Ago
      Forgive me if this was addressed properly earlier, but I chose to reply to this before I read the rest of the comments.

      "I beg you guys to tell me how a COBALT IS TRULY BETTER THAN A CIVIC?"

      Easy; the Cobalt is easier to work on than the Civic. The Cobalt, like most American cars, may not be able to hold up against the Imports for reliability overall, but they tend to be much easier to fix as well. Problem is, most people don't know how to fix a car, and don't want to know; therefore, they let themselves get reamed at a repair shop.

      The problem with Honda products is that they tend to be needlessly over-engineered. In a situation in which two parts would work, Honda will use three or four (as the common explanatory example goes). While it may work better at first, when it breaks it tends to be more costly and complex to repair. The Cobalt, on the other hand, would use just the two parts. It may break sooner or not work quite as well, but it will be cheaper and easier to repair. Also, since the replacement part isn't coming from Japan, they're cheaper to purchase as well.

      Keep in mind that I am only talking about generalities here. I'm sure that someone out there has a personal anecdote that "refutes" what I said; don't be offended when I say that you'd do us all a favour by sparing us.
      • 8 Years Ago
      "Your zealotry is apparent to everyone here. Honda makes good cars. I know. I owned a RSX. It was a great car I already admitted that. But give it a rest. It's like you won't be satisfied until you've made sure everyone only buys Hondas. It's not going to happen, get over it."

      -KEN your not getting it, I WANT GM/Ford to suceed and beat the cutthroat Japan asses. But we have to admit just like you did that GM/Ford are inferior in terms of there cars in almost every dynamic.

      -Just look pretty much everyone one of you admit that Honda/Toyota build a better car, is that not embarrasing considering we invented it?! Have some drive people call out our American car companies on the bullshit they are making to compete with the Accord and Civic. I will be more than happy to try American again, so long as the CAR is also made in the USA.
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