Filed under: SUVs, Trucks/Pickups, Dodge
Cummins' light-duty diesel - more deets and it's likely for Dodge
Automotive News is concurring with the rest of the automotive press that the upcoming pair of light-duty diesel engines from Cummins Inc. is most likely destined for Dodge. The automotive trade journal, however, did uncover some specs on each engine. The first is a 4.2-liter V6 that will develop 190 horsepower and a mighty 455 ft-lbs. of torque. The second is a larger 5.6-liter V8 that will generate 260 horsepower and an even mightier 597 ft-lbs. of torque. Both engines will be SOHC with four valves per cylinder and feature Piezoelectric fuel injectors, like the kind Ford is rumored to be using on its next Powerstroke diesel, and variable nozzle turbochargers. If Dodge is indeed the "unnamed automaker," then it's safe to assume the engines will be used in the Ram 1500 and Durango.Other automakers that are in the market for light-duty diesels include Toyota and Nissan, but Toyota can source diesels from its Hino commercial truck subsidiary while Nissan is rumored to be in talks with Ford's diesel pusher, International Truck and Engine Corp.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
JC Whitless 1:56PM (7/31/2006)
This would be great for the Wrangler, Liberty and Patriot as well...
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Colin 2:15PM (7/31/2006)
Maybe this is why the killed off the Liberty CRD, to make room for an engine swap...
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samuel 2:18PM (7/31/2006)
Hey Neff, WTF is a deet? How about keeping the unprofessional, embarrasing, juvenile slang off the blog? Unless you're trying to look like a fool, in which case keep it up.
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Ferguson McSqueege 2:38PM (7/31/2006)
Deets = details
Wow...that wasn't too hard.
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olderty 2:39PM (7/31/2006)
hahaha! Sammy doesn't know what a deet is!!
This isn't the WSJ dumbass. It's effing AutoBlog.
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olderty 2:43PM (7/31/2006)
hahaha! Sammy doesn't know what a deet is!!
This isn't the WSJ dummy. It's effing AutoBlog.
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samuel 2:56PM (7/31/2006)
Hey morons, if the word is "details" how about writing the word "details". The point was not to request an explanation of idiotic street slang, it was to suggest that such crap has no place in anything other than a mindless rap video or an amp'd commercial.
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Fabulo 3:18PM (7/31/2006)
To all the critics about the language: ask for your money back.
In other news, yes we can have 4l TD engines in monster trucks and soccer mom SUVs, but a fuel efficient 2l TDI that get 45 mpg in a golf, no you can't have it, too polluting.
I know, it's a different 'class' of vehicle. Still...
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Peter 3:35PM (7/31/2006)
You are correct. We should stop having diesels in light trucks, they should have to pass the same emission standards as cars.
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samuel 3:53PM (7/31/2006)
#8, great idea. I'll complain directly to the people who advertise on this site. Thanks for the tip.
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Stphane Dumas 4:32PM (7/31/2006)
#2 Colin I'm not sure but I heard the Liberty diesel was temporairely dropped because new CRD engines who comply with the upcoming ULSD (Ultra-low sulphur diesel) standards is coming for 2008 models.
And someone on Allpar forums taked a some pics of a test-mule/prototype(?) of a next-gen Wrangler CRD at http://www.allpar.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81026
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Colin 4:54PM (7/31/2006)
#11 Stéphane: That's precisely what I was saying, they dropped the current Liberty CRD so they could swap in this new engine and thus be ULSD compatible...
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Rodrigo 6:06PM (7/31/2006)
When will we all get the choice of small, ultra efficient diesel engines that provide lively performance?
http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2005-Volkswagen-VW-EcoRacer-Concept.htm
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CJ 7:31PM (7/31/2006)
To #9 Not to call names, but you are a freaking moron. Plain and simple. Diesels and by FAR the most efficient engine. Sure your prius may get 40 to a gallon or whatever they get, but a truck that weighs 8k pounds and is getting 20+ MPG and also running less emissions than you...WOW. Also, in 2007 they are instigated new ULSD so you wont see any smoke from diesels, the current diesel is rated at 500 PPM and the the new diesel is rated at 15 PPM. So no smoke for you, plus the new emissions equipment put on these trucks far out does that of gas engines. Diesels are Far more efficient, but you, and your narrow mind seem to want to think that they arent because of a little smoke. My 1500 Gas engine got 13 to gallon, my 2500 Turbo diesel got 20+ to a gallon and now my RX-8 gets a measly 16 to a gallon on premium. Cars are retarded and useless half the time. The VW diesels are awesome and I do not knock them. diesel is a crude product, diesel engines can even burn Vegetable oil and Bio Diesel, which cost far less than gasoline, they have alternative fuel sources ready and available. Gas engines dont. They are no where near as efficient. So SHOVE OFF. and learn something.
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David Thompson 9:06PM (7/31/2006)
Nissan is rumored to be in talks with Ford's diesel pusher, International Truck and Engine Corp.
Why? Nissan already has the ZD30 I4 for the Frontier and its siblings, and could easily expand that into a 4.4L I6 for the Titan to replace the old TD42 series.
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Stan 11:30PM (7/31/2006)
We're sure the 4200 isn't going to find its way to the Charger, right? Imagine a full-sized authentically American sedan that gets about 25 in town and 40-ish on the open road.
Toss in a rear five/six-speed manual and I'm heading to the dealer ... Maybe I just miss my 30 MPG (highway) straight-six '68 Impala.
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66coronet 7:18AM (8/01/2006)
I wonder where they get the specs for the cummins motors. The only place I can find the specs is at http://www.osti.gov/fcvt/deer2005/stang/pdf
There it states that the V-6 4.2L is 190kW / 250hp @ 4000 + 420lb-ft for customer target and actual status is 201kW / 270hp @ 3800 + 420lb-ft.
5.6L 350hp @ 4000 + 560 lb-ft customer target. Actual status is 300hp @ 4000 and 460lb-ft.
Looks to me the V-8 still needs some tweeking.
It would be nice if they added cylinder deactivation.
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66coronet 7:30AM (8/01/2006)
"This would be great for the Wrangler, Liberty and Patriot as well...
Posted at 1:56PM on Jul 31st 2006 by JC Whitless"
There will be no cummins for the above. The wrangler 2007 {for over seas market only} is getting the liberty's VM 2.8L crd. The Liberty will keep it's 2.8L crd (over seas market only) at least up to body change 2008ish. The liberty will grow in size to match the dodge Nitro. Then after that it may (or may not) share the Nitro's MB 3.0L crd. As for the patriot. It's using the VW 2.0L crd like the compass and caliber. For over seas market only. When VW get's the motor clean enough for thier passat for the US market. Then we can see the other 3 use it in the US market.
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66coronet 7:42AM (8/01/2006)
"Maybe this is why the killed off the Liberty CRD, to make room for an engine swap...
Posted at 2:15PM on Jul 31st 2006 by Colin"
No, the liberty/ cherokee-(over seas market) will continue to use the VM 2.8L crd in over seas markets at least untill body change.
The reason they stoped selling the liberty CRD in the US market is the new regulations. The VM 2.8L crd is unable to meet the new nitrous oxide regulations. That's why VW is also changing thier diesel motors from TDI to CRD and not selling any diesels in 2007 cars. They over produced the 2006 diesel models and will sell those untill they run out. Then we have to wait untill the new motors pass the new regs. That maybe 2008 or 2009. So if you want a patriot, compass, caliber diesel in the US market. You will just have to wait till VW get's it done.
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MikeW 7:55AM (8/01/2006)
How much will these engines weigh?
and what 6 speed automatics will couple to them?
It is a shame Mazda did not put some form of EGR on the Renesis engine, the mileage is abysmal. The WAY taller top gears (5-24mph/6-29.5mph compared to 20mph/1000 6th gear of the manual) of the 6 speed automatic help a little, although you give up some going from a 4 port to 6 port wankel.
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