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J @ Jul 25th 2006 12:42PM
This will give DSG some serious cred if it is a success on a sports car of this caliber.
Tim @ Jul 25th 2006 1:06PM
What is DSG?
Wyatt Anderson @ Jul 25th 2006 1:07PM
Interesting that the Bugatti Veyron already uses a 7-speed DSG transmission (albeit, not the BorgWarner DSG that is common to the Volkswagen AG line).
Gary @ Jul 25th 2006 1:13PM
Tim, look at my provided link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox
Dave @ Jul 25th 2006 1:36PM
I am having a hard time understanding this latest information. Earlier this summer wasn't mentioned that VW was increasing ownership in Porsche or vice versa? Either way, I'm sure as a result of joined ownership (thats what stocks are afterall) parts, research, etc. are shared. Since VW owns Bugatti, wouldn't they not want to share DSG. It would take away part of their competive advantage in the supercar realm.
Bob-o @ Jul 25th 2006 1:48PM
They don't have a choice really...Porsche does what they want. They're the majority stockholder in VW.
Funny how a specialty car maker can own such a large stake in global manufacturer...but hey, that's the price you pay for mismanagement. :)
Clarence @ Jul 25th 2006 1:58PM
Is there a point where a car might have too many gears? I own only manual shift cars and have to admit that every once in a while I need a gear that I don't have. But I am wondering if I even want to shift gears that much. I once had a Dodge Colt with a twin stick. It had a four speed with a high and low range. That was a pretty good solution. You could shift eight times if you wanted to. Basically it added one extra gear on the top end with nuance choices for mountain grades.
jjd @ Jul 25th 2006 2:13PM
It is ironic that this article calls the transmission a "DSG" (apparently a Volkswagen Group name for a Borg Warner transmission) when, in fact, Porsche are the ones who first pioneered and built a viable dual-clutch transmission in the Porsche 962 PDK.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/dual-clutch-transmission3.htm
I wonder if this transmission is built in-house at Porsche or sourced from Borg Warner.
pedantic @ Jul 25th 2006 2:29PM
Not DSG, PDK! Porsche Doppel Kupplung. PDK has been expected for sometime. The PDK was originally developped for the Porsche 962. That has been 20 years!
gene @ Jul 25th 2006 3:10PM
They should brand the 7-speed DSG "Sportomatic" for nostalgia's sake... ;-)
New Yorker @ Jul 25th 2006 7:48PM
You'd have to have rocks in your head to buy a Porsche with an automatic 'box...DSG or otherwise.
PJ @ Jul 25th 2006 9:25PM
Clarence, I thought the same thing after driving a couple of Mercedes-Benzes with the new 7-speed automatic.
I wonder when we'll cross the point where adding gears brings more subjective costs than benefits--when the increased efficiency with the engine's powerband is offset by the need to change gear every few seconds.
With manual transmissions, including the (lame, IMO) clutchless ones, I'd guess we're nearing that juncture. Even with Mercedes' 7-speed auto, the constant slurring between gears made me wish they'd just installed a CVT and been done with it.
SN @ Jul 26th 2006 12:40AM
The disadvantages to extra gears is almost eliminated with the ultra-fast shifting the DSG (of whatever you want to call it). It's down to milliseconds.
However, CVTs are becoming more and more popular and seem to be better in many respects than typical gear transmissions. This makes 6+ gear transmissions seem silly.
gbh @ Jul 26th 2006 2:02AM
If memory serves, PDK was a nightmare.
biturbo @ Jul 26th 2006 9:08AM
Just FYI, BorgWarner makes the clutch system for all DSG-type trannies, including the one in Veyron (which is a Ricardo tranny). BorgWarner is an American company! GM and Ford sleep?
http://borgwarner.com/staging/in_the_news/2006-02-01-Wards.pdf
Galley @ Jul 26th 2006 10:14AM
I operated a Ford tractor back in the early 80's that had a dual-shifter; pretty slick.
DPC car videos @ Aug 26th 2006 6:17AM
Wow, when the turbo model get a DSG style tranny, it will be unbeatable, I drove the Audi A3 with DSG and it puts the manual tranny to shame.
borganswerman @ Sep 19th 2006 3:52PM
This thread is a few months old, but for those interested in some clarification:
DSG (Direkt Shaltz Getrieb or Direct Shift Gearbox) is Volkswagen's trandmark name, and they build the model DQ250 transmission in a Volkswagen plant. The Bugatti DSG is built by Ricardo, an engineering firm in the U.K. Both are equipped with clutch and control systems supplied by BorgWarner. Neither transmission is built by BW.
It is Porsche that owns a stake in Volkswagen. Retired Volkswagen CEO, Ferdinand Piech is on the boards of both companies. He is a grandson of Ferdinand Porsche and his family still controls Porsche A.G.
Porsche can no doubt use the DSG designation if it chooses to do so. The DSG - type transmission under development for Porsche cars is functionally similar to the VW DSG, but is not a derivative. It is being developed independently.