http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/ Autoblog Comments for Toyota pursuing plug-in hybrids and FFVs http://www.autoblog.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.autoblog.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/
now if we were to say build nuclear power plants again and develop some kind of strategy there...]]>Jul 18th 2006 5:34PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?article_id=11174§ion_id=4&page_number=7#flex]]>Jul 18th 2006 5:35PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/What the hell is a plug-in hybrid? An Electric CAR!! Yeah I want a car that goes 100 miles and then has to be plugged in again. They tried it, it didn't work.

#1, you are on the money, lets burn more coal and natural gas to make the electricity, just to save gas. ]]>Jul 18th 2006 5:42PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/
Matt S:

Ya know, your right as United States Americans we should just give up, there's no hope, no vision. Good Job Matt S. No hope.

Hey it's worth TRYING.

Your forgetting:

It's currently more important to get off of OIL rather than the enviroment at this current time.]]>Jul 18th 2006 5:44PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/
My next door neighbor for 25k (cheap) converted his house to 100% solar, did you forget about this option? Or mabye just a solar option for the Prius?

Dude, nice ASSUMPTIONS.]]>Jul 18th 2006 5:46PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/Jul 18th 2006 5:47PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/Jul 18th 2006 5:56PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/Ya know, your right as United States Americans we should just give up, there's no hope, no vision. Good Job Matt S. No hope.

Hey it's worth TRYING.

It's currently more important to get off of OIL rather than the enviroment at this current time. - Ryan

Why exactly is it important to get off oil? Here's a great editorial by Patrick Bedard: http://www.caranddriver.com/columns/9978/patrick-bedard.html

He's talking about hydrogen here, but the same idea holds true.]]>Jul 18th 2006 5:57PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/
Well, uh... Mabye this little country call IRAN and NIGERA and VENEZUELA, have all of us by the nutsac and won't be letting go anytime soon.

Even if hydrogen or hybrids are more expensive we won't be dependant on psycho fucks around the world.]]>Jul 18th 2006 6:03PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.calcars.org/vehicles.html

"As for numbers keyed to the national grid, two government studies found plug-in HEVs would result in large reductions even with the national grid (50-60% coal). The GREET 1.6 model in 2001 by the US Department of Energy's Argonne National Lab estimates hybrids reduces greenhouse gases by 22%, and a plug-in hybrid by 36% -- see table 2. An Argonne researcher reached consensus with researchers from other national labs, universities, the Air Resources Board, automakers, utilities and AD Little to estimate in July 2002 that plug-in HEVs using nighttime power reduce greenhouse gases by 46 to 61 percent.
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PHEVs will generally recharge at night using excess power from plants that can't shut down completely -- so they don't add to the peak load."

Maybe you should have done two minutes of research before posting your ignorant knee-jerk reaction.]]>Jul 18th 2006 6:10PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/
#3, Brother Justin... you should read up a bit about the technology. The idea is that you take a regular hybrid car, beef up the batteries, and allow it to be charged both by regular hybrid means as well as through a plug. A plug in hybrid would never NEED to be plugged in, as it would still have a gas tank and a gas engine. But if your daily commute is only 50 or 100 miles or something, you might be able to get by without turning on the engine at all. Only after you'd drained the batteries, or perhaps if you were asking for more power than the electric side could provide, would the engine turn on.

Presumably, as battery technology improved, the gas engine would be needed less and less, possibly providing a smooth as butter transition to completely electric vehicles, once the technology is up to the task.]]>Jul 18th 2006 6:31PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/
First, the Prius is ALREADY an Electric Car, but it is programmed to use its EV counterpart as a suppliment the inefficient cycles of driving. With a larger battery, it would be able to use its EV side more often.

Second, Plug-in Hybrids is more of an evolution of the current hybrids, not really new category of cars. It really doesn't take that much work for Toyota to deliver a Plug-in, just some software upgrade plus new generation of nano-based batteries.

Third, because plug-ins now can be "integrated" into your home electrical network, during a power outage, your plug-in hybrid can also become an emergency generator. You will need to make sure proper circuits are installed. I do not know if Toyota will include this feature, but it is certainly an option.]]>Jul 18th 2006 6:33PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/> "What the hell is a plug-in hybrid? An Electric CAR!! Yeah I want a car that goes 100 miles and then has to be plugged in again. They tried it, it didn't work."

Wrong. A plug-in hybrid still has a gasoline engine, which we know makes more sense for long trips and highway use. But electricity currently is cheaper for stop-and-go/city driving. It's the best of both worlds, efficiency-wise.]]>Jul 18th 2006 7:11PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/
Imagine a Toyota plug-in hybrid capable of running on E85 and all of a sudden 500 miles on a gallon of gasoline is a real possibility.

I have a 2007 Prius with the Euro package on-order right now. The idea of even 60 MPG sounds pretty exciting to me now. I will gladly order the new 2008/09 Prius when it comes out.]]>Jul 18th 2006 8:31PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/Jul 18th 2006 8:33PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/
I used to be interested in portable power generators in case of power outage. Those things used to be REALLY expensive, but the prices have came down quite a bit recently. I'm not sure why, but maybe it's because more people are willing to buy one, supply goes up, and prices fall. In any case, I really thought about getting one for home, but then found out the maintenance is a pain. I recently watched a show about an automated system that will self-check every week, and with a specialize switch, will turn itself on when the power goes out, and stops when the power comes back on. It sure sounds great, til I saw the price tag, somewhere around $5000+ installed.

Anyways, if Toyota is really interested in offering the option for PHEV to be used as a backup generator, I certainly will factor in the option into the vehicle cost.]]>Jul 18th 2006 8:37PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/I've read the comments some are good, others are assholes. But unless you have Solar or a Nuke plant, YOU ARE USING FOSSIL FUELS in one form or another.

HEY Desiri, you did get the ASSHOLE award for this blog. Responses were only from the post and from a bad link that you had to sign up for. Sorry didn't have your link inbedded in my head.

You FUCKING TREE HUGGING LOLLYPOP!!]]>Jul 18th 2006 8:51PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/
"50 to 100 milles without turn on the gas engine"?
"...500 mpg..."

Geez, people, check the numbers before pushing the button. PHEV is not suppose to be a pure EV with 100+ miles in range. Do not get disappointed if the first PHEV will only get about 10-20 miles TOPS under EV only mode. This will keep the cost down, and still improve overall gas mileage. For people who commute within the city, the plug-in feature will certainly yeild significant result. For folks who live very far from work, early PHEV probably won't make a big difference.

]]>Jul 18th 2006 8:52PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/
Sure, but which one has better control on emissions? Capturing pollutant from millions of cars, or control the exhaust from a few hundred power plants?

Again, people ignore the fact that plug-ins will STORE electricity during night time. Some power stations cannot just turn off generators just because the demand goes down, and a lot of energy is wasted when a generator goes up and down. Plug-ins and EVs are good compliment to our current electric infrastructure.

Before jumping on the gun and cursing out people you do not understand, maybe you should take a moment and read up on EVs.]]>Jul 18th 2006 9:00PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/toyota-pursuing-plug-in-hybrids-and-ffvs/
Stoneman

http://www.stonemanautoreview.com]]>Jul 18th 2006 10:40PM