Autoweek reports that Ford is developing a 4.4-liter diesel V8, slated for the F-150 pickup and possibly the Expedition SUV.Apparently the new diesel is a supersized version of the twin-turbo 272 hp 3.6-liter V8 (right) manufactured for the 2007 Range Rover at Ford's Dagenham Diesel Center in England, and would likely be produced there and shipped to the U.S.
The Dagenham facility is a cooperative venture with PSA Peugeot Citroen, and is Ford's global center for diesel engineering and manufacturing.
[Sources: Autoweek, Ford]
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Tim UF @ Jun 19th 2006 6:37PM
So, i wonder if you were to put all the stats of the 3.6 nd the 4.4 liter engines in front of someone EXCEPT the displacement, which one a majority of people would chose. im guessing, if efficiency is included (real world MPG, not just lbs of bad exhaust gases) that most people would chose the 3.6L.
its already made for european low sulfur diesel, why not bring it over here as is?
Mal Fuller @ Jun 19th 2006 6:43PM
All this activity when Ford still has unresolved problems with the "Cornbinder" diesel that's used in the F-250, F-350, etc.? Maybe it's Ford's turn to damage the US market for diesels. GM can't be expected to go it alone.
Mal Fuller @ Jun 19th 2006 6:45PM
All this activity when Ford still has unresolved problems with the "Cornbinder" diesel that's used in the F-250, F-350, etc.? Maybe it's Ford's turn to damage the US market for diesels. GM can't be expected to go it alone.
Noah @ Jun 19th 2006 6:47PM
Super, now can we get a Ranger with a 4 cylinder 2.2L Turbo Diesel?
--Noah
Andrew @ Jun 19th 2006 7:23PM
Because the article is actually Wrong, the motor is based on the smaller Lion V6 diesel... also Produced at Dagenham.... they added 2 cyliders to it and it will require a compacted graphite iron block, in order to supply the 330 hp desired for it... and also an estimated 515-520 lb ft of torque. .... making it more powerful than the 7.3L of old... except with only 4.4L displacement..... Considering the 6.4L TT is to be 99% cleaner than the current 6.0L.... I would assume this will be a very clean motor.
Andrew @ Jun 19th 2006 7:23PM
Because the article is actually Wrong, the motor is based on the smaller Lion V6 diesel... also Produced at Dagenham.... they added 2 cyliders to it and it will require a compacted graphite iron block, in order to supply the 330 hp desired for it... and also an estimated 515-520 lb ft of torque. .... making it more powerful than the 7.3L of old... except with only 4.4L displacement..... Considering the 6.4L TT is to be 99% cleaner than the current 6.0L.... I would assume this will be a very clean motor.
repete @ Jun 19th 2006 9:42PM
why is everyone repeating themselves ?
Diesel Power @ Jun 19th 2006 10:17PM
God help us, Ford can't even get their gas engines right, how are they going to do a diesel? I smell another GM fiasco.
chewy @ Jun 19th 2006 10:24PM
I don't think that they will get 330 hp and 520 pound feet of torque out of a 4.4 liters. It is possible, but they would have to cut down the hp to 300 or lower. Audi has a 4.2 liter diesel with 325 hp but only 479 pound feet of torque. BTW, if it was available here in the USA in the A8, like it is in Europe, it would probably get something like 21 city and 28 highway, not bad for a large sedan.
http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2005-Audi-A8-TDI-Quattro.htm
There are rumors of a V12 diesel from Audi.
Bill @ Jun 19th 2006 10:31PM
I had the chance to ride in a LR3 diesel taxi cab for about 15 miles through winding roads in the mountains of Switzerland. I was impressed by how quiet it was (inside and out), and you only heard a little bit of clatter under acceleration. Even when pulling and accelerating (hard!) uphill, the revs stay quite low, which helps keep things quiet. From the back seat, you could also feel the torque through the seat of your pants so to speak.
Doesn't Ford make the diesel engine that powers the new generation of London taxis?
JGN @ Jun 19th 2006 11:26PM
This is actually a good idea on Fords part. If they can make this work, the F150 is going to stay ahead of the Tundra.
JGN @ Jun 19th 2006 11:48PM
I mean, as long as they don't produce a piece of crap that further sets them behind.
Brian @ Jun 20th 2006 12:21AM
Posted by Mal Fuller,
"All this activity when Ford still has unresolved problems with the "Cornbinder" diesel that's used in the F-250, F-350, etc.? Maybe it's Ford's turn to damage the US market for diesels. GM can't be expected to go it alone."
Ford is resolving that. A brand new 6.4 liter diesel engine will be coming out very soon to replace the trouble prone 6.0L
AM` @ Jun 20th 2006 12:24AM
I might actually overlook the shortcomings of my present F-150 and buy a practical Ford diesel.
The following is just so I'm in the spirit of things:
I might actually overlook the shortcomings of my present F-150 and buy a practical Ford diesel.
Steve @ Jun 20th 2006 8:42AM
"There are rumors of a V12 diesel from Audi"
How about the twin turbo V12 from their R10 racecar? Maybe in the new R8 sports car? That would be cool.
Steve @ Jun 20th 2006 8:48AM
If you ask me, this product strategy has been long overdue in the US. I can't think of a better application for diesels than trucks. I think every truck should have a diesel engine. Even the 'midsize' and maybe even some of the 'compact' ones.
Trucks all get terrible gas mileage. All of them. Even if you buy a V6 instead of a V8, there is rarely more than a couple of MPGs difference in the two. And there really aren't any fast trucks or SUVs out there. The fastest ones are only as quick as some of the average sedans, and they get horrible almost single digit gas mileage to accomplish that. Torque is what trucks need, and that's what makes people feel that their huge trucks and SUVs have good 'pickup' or 'power'. Diesel engines have that in spades, so why not get better gas mileage?
goat @ Jun 20th 2006 9:20AM
Put this engine in the Mustang. :-)
Seriously...it would blow peoples' minds. A diesel muscle car. And more horsepower (and a lot more torque) than the Mustang GT.
DRFS Rich @ Jun 20th 2006 12:01PM
Goat: Excellent idea! Drop it in, say, a '94 or '95 stock V6 'stang, with a new trans, and you'd have one hell of a sleeper!
- R
Todd @ Jun 23rd 2006 10:39AM
This is a great idea. Diesel technology has come a long way. I love my 7.3l (except for the noise), and suprise people that a crew cab long box f-350 can get better mileage than a Ranger V-6. I'd consider a F-150 with a diesel. I switched to the F-250 because of it.
James Paglione @ Aug 30th 2006 10:34PM
In 73 years of life that the good lord has blessed me with, I have driven and owned 30 or more Ford Trucks. Currently I own an f350 2001 7.3 4/4 ; a 2005 F350 4/4 6.0 ; and a 2006 F350 King Ranch Crew Cab 4/4 6.0 . Talk about horsepower and torque, any of these three I would be happy to put up against any of the competition pulling 10,000 # up through our Eisenhoweer Tunnel at almost 9,500 feet altitude. The loser forfiets his truck and title to me in my POWER Stroke Diesels. The 7.3 works daily pulling a gooseneck trailer that recently we had a 16,000 # backhoe on the trailer { Gooseneck} then add the weight of the tandem axle dually trailer and the 7000# weight of the truck. Quite a load. Let me see a Duramax do this and I will buy one ! My three trucks are all DUALLYS. They are all 4/4. They all have torque to spare. They all get good mileage. The 2006 I drive daily and I watch the turbo pressure like a hawk, I keep it under 10 PSI as long as traffic will allow me to and I run regular 18 MPG. When FORD first unvieled the 6.0 Power Stroke we all know about losing the lower end of the engine.
To stay ahead of this we bought an F350 crew cab with the V 10 gasoline engine. If gas had not gone to $4.00 a gallon we would still own that truck.
Ford here is one for you Build a V-10 Power Stroke.
You would have the truck world even more to your own.I am available by phone @ 720-810-2570 or via e-mail @ yeloironman@aol.com . My name is Jim Paglione