Filed under: Chicago Auto Show, Trucks/Pickups
Lexus isn't the only brand out of Torrance launching a new vehicle at the 2006 Chicago Auto Show. Toyota Motor
Company will debut the next Toyota Tundra full-size pickup. The vehicle, which will be built at Toyota's Indiana plant
and its new San Antonio, Texas plant, will be larger, have more powerplant options, and will offer more body
configurations. The 2006 Toyota Tundra is pictured.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Rich 2:43PM (1/18/2006)
I'll start the drum beat for all those about to jump on the bandwagon.....
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Christian J 2:52PM (1/18/2006)
Lame. Get ready for people to say how awesome this truck is/will be. These Japanese domestic-style trucks are not used to the extent real domestic trucks are. They have the market penetration of a family owned variety store, i.e like 0.3%. Therefore, its impossible to say how "awesome" these trucks are when they stack up to real trucks used for real work, chronic labour, over the long term. Give 'em a few more years yet. We need to see what thee things do. In the short term, I take serious issue with performance claims/costs of these trucks. In order to make the numbers, they need to run on premium, while the doemstics have always used 87.
Don't even get me started on quality. Nissan and Toyota make like what?
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Rastus 3:04PM (1/18/2006)
Christian,
No, it's not "impossible" whatsoever. Why? Because if a Toyota Corolla can be abused on a daily basis and still last 240,000 miles w/out even a valve-job, then I'd say there just MAY be something to Toyota's much praised quality. And even if you don't believe me, then maybe you'll believe sales figures in North America. Brainless and lame? Sure, but if that's what it takes to win over a loyal following, then so be it.
This truck is built in Texas, but beef-eating Texans. Be sure to call this truck "lame" when it feeds many Many Americans who otherwise would be doing something else, something equally as "lame", or nothing at all perhaps.
Welcome to the competition, GM and Ford. Recall (as someone else so eloquently put it awhile back on AutoBlog)...GM and Ford are now competing w/ Toyota, not the other way around (on the grand scale). So what if Toyota isn't afrid to compete w/ GM and Ford in the P/U market. This is round three (T-100, Tundra v1.0, and now Tundra v2.0). Toyota, if you havn't yet guessed, actually Learns, unlike GM and Ford.
So VERY lame indeed!!!
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Rastus 3:07PM (1/18/2006)
typo..not "but" but "by"
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Rich 3:18PM (1/18/2006)
Rastus,
In case someone hadn't informed you when a factory of a domestic manufacturer goes idle or shuts down and an import based manufacturer sets up shop the total job creation is zero. So, yes due to the dynamics of the buying public GM and Ford employ less while Toyota picks up the slack, but to start preaching about feeding families etc is a bit much. Domestic automakers have long been a source of income for North American families, funny how that is overlooked.
Anyway Rastas, jump on the bandwagon, I'm sure you are the type who cheered the league leading Colts right up to the day of deliverance....and then said "I'm not a colts fan"
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Rastus 3:39PM (1/18/2006)
I've had a strong distate for domestics from a very early age. So no, my opinion does not change based upon the season or who may be popular at any given moment. My opinion is based upon the foul treatment my parents received from domestics (mostly GM and their "dealerships")...so trust me on this, I'm not going to root for the "Colts" any time soon :)
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Rich 3:44PM (1/18/2006)
Sales numbers for full size pickups in 2005 look like this: Ford F-series 901,463, GM 998,654, Toyota Tundra 126,529, and Nissan Titan 86,945. So you are looking at 2,000,000 versus 200,000 for domestics compared to "Imports". Now considering that quality is STILL reported as tops by JD Power for the F-series while churning out approximately 10 times as many pickups is noteworthy. So don't go preaching the quality of Toyota trucks (specifically trucks) until such a time as sales numbers warrant appreciable potential for problems. I drive a 1997 Ford f-150 with over 220,000 Km and it runs tickettyboo, so maybe I'm biased.
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djSyndrome 4:03PM (1/18/2006)
"In case someone hadn't informed you when a factory of a domestic manufacturer goes idle or shuts down and an import based manufacturer sets up shop the total job creation is zero."
Because, you know, every laid off auto worker in Michigan is immediately going to emigrate to Texas to go work for Toyota.
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djSyndrome 4:09PM (1/18/2006)
"Sales numbers (blah blah)"
Rich, I keep reading your post over and over again, but whatever leap of logic you are trying to make - apparently something about cars not being labeled as 'reliable' until there are a million examples a year on the road - seems to escape me.
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Justin 4:14PM (1/18/2006)
I hope GM are ready to get their asses handed to them because Toyota is about to open the house of pain.
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PWN3D 4:17PM (1/18/2006)
You know the Taurus was the best selling car in america. Toyota PWN3D The taurus. Now the F150 is going to get PWN3D. Then ur mom is next. She'll get PWN3D too. Then ur cat will get PWN3D by toyota. And then ur dog.
Congratulations, you got PWN3D
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Ophrey 4:30PM (1/18/2006)
#7
Once again a GM lover associating sales with quality.
Havnt we all realized the average american is a retard and yes GM and Ford will most likely ALWAYS outsell other brands, because all those hillbilly rednecks will always buy domestic and not "furrin" cars inspite of the obvious that the "furrin" ones are superior.
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OldCarDog 4:31PM (1/18/2006)
Used to be that if you sneezed, or even gave a cross look at a Toyota body panel it would happily reward you with a tennis ball sized ding. Hope they got that fixed if they want to compete with the big boys in the truck world.
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Marc 4:37PM (1/18/2006)
Domestic lovers believe the full size truck market is the one area where they are safe. Watch out. Toyota has consistently sold around 100,000 Tundras a year. They sell this many with no HD version, and fewer body styles and engine choices (not to mention way fewer dealers). Once Toyota adds more choices and an HD version, they will likely double their sales. Then Nissan will likely follow suit. And who knows, Honda might even figure it out. There is nothing inherently different about a full size truck that will stop this progress. Look at the sales charts of 20 years ago for cars-Taurus, Celebrity, Cavalier, Escort. Now who's on top. You can't honestly believe that with trucks it will be any different. 5 years from now we're looking at Japanese trucks commanding 20% of the US truck market. Believe it.
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Jsmith 5:00PM (1/18/2006)
Hey PWN3D why don't you go back to playing your FPS. Or better yet go drive your import with your big gay wing and cool tail lights, that you seem to think adds 100HP. Don't forget to act hard while doing it. Oh and all the people looking at you are laughing by the way.
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Jsmith 5:13PM (1/18/2006)
Anyone see the news at MotorTrend.com about the new Tahoe
I'm pretty sure you will see a lot of this carried over to their new pick-ups
"Very impressive," commented Tom Appel, an editor with Consumer Guide
Rob Rothwell wrote on the Web site, www.automobile.com:
"A close examination of the Tahoe's body failed to reveal a single misalignment or inaccuracy. -- In fact from every angle the Tahoe pleases.
"Fit and finish in the new cabin is first rate and simply indistinguishable from the imports thanks to plenty of premium-touch surfaces and materials, combined with restrained but tasteful styling elements. --
"Road noise and operational harshness are extremely well suppressed. -- The vehicle absorbed relentless surface degradation without transmitting excessive jostling or harshness to the cabin, which remained rattle-free throughout."
Jim Robinson of The Mississauga (Ontario) News had this to say:
This could be the quietest, smoothest running SUV I've yet tested. Because the frame is so stiff, it can be tuned to iron out vibration. Sound deadening materials are relentlessly used throughout the body --
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Rich 5:15PM (1/18/2006)
#9 DJ Syndrome, or some kind of syndrome anyway, your rebuttle regarding Michigan state workers moving to Texas....the comment referenced was regarding the national workforce, noreference was made to specific workers. Besides last I checked ford had factories in states other than Michigan.
Secondly "apparently something about cars .....to escape me". Not surprised it escaped you, but if you read closely you'll see the word "specifically" as in not referencing cars which are an obvious point of contention.
Intelligent responses indeed.
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Bob 5:26PM (1/18/2006)
At least Toyota was smart enough to get it right on the third try. Its at least shaped like a real truck, unlike the Honda, which should be in the SUT catagory maybe, but its not a truck.
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djSyndrome 5:40PM (1/18/2006)
First, Rich, if you're going to play the part of Internet Elitist, at least learn how to spell.
That out of the way, my first point was refuting the assertion that loss in GM/Ford manufacturing staff and an equal gain in Toyota manufacturing have a net balance of zero. The numbers may equalize, but you're ignoring the fact that there are thousands of displaced workers who can't/won't move to where the Toyota jobs are. Your comment minimizes the problem by giving readers the impression that as long as there is no 'net' job loss, there is no impact.
"Besides last I checked ford had factories in states other than Michigan."
Yes they do, but not in Texas. They do have some in Mexico though, which I guess is close enough.
Secondly, you stated:
"So don't go preaching the quality of Toyota trucks (specifically trucks) until such a time as sales numbers warrant appreciable potential for problems."
...in the same post where you stated that Toyota sold more than 125,000 Tundras. J. D. Power and Consumer Reports both determine reliability for particular vehicles that have sold far less than one-hundred thousand units in a year (not endorsing either publication, just using them as an example). But apparently you're saying that because Toyota only sells an eighth of either GM or Ford, suddenly their sample size is insignificant and a measure of quality can't be determined? That makes no sense.
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Rich 6:09PM (1/18/2006)
Syndrome,
If you want to talk statistics I'm all for it. For any statistical test the validity is entirely dependent on the sample size. The greater the sample size i.e. replicates the greater the statistical power and resolution. So, the point here is thus, if one produces 10 times the amount of product, that is 10 times the amount of tested material, which retains quality the statistical power is certainly higher than for a test comprised of 1/10th the replicates.
As for the "Internet Elitist" typos are a function of motor skills on a keyboard and not "necessarily" as you imply a reflection of intelligence or ignorance.
Finally, consider this, if Toyota puts up a new factory, as they are near here in Woodstock that is great for the local economy and residents. As for those that lost there job at a competing domestic company somewhere else...hard times. The comment was originally intended to address the "Toyota puts food on tables" comment, and rebut the contention that domestics did not.
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