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thing is "butt ugly"! Has anyone else noticed how much better Chrysler has

done since Mr. Lutz left?]]>Jan 14th 2006 7:47AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/Jan 14th 2006 8:15AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/Jan 14th 2006 8:44AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/Jan 14th 2006 9:00AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/


Yet, Bobby says "it's all his".



Take the Lucerne - a car that sounds like a carton of milk. It features a whale face stuck onto a Passat. Inside it is more dullness than you can shake a stick at. The overall design is so compelling that in a car show visit last week, no one bothered to visit it (along with the LaCrosse) during my 20 minute stay on the side of General, er, Private Motors' display.



When you look at the Lutz record, you don't see any hits. He is either late to the party and takes credit for the successes of others, or he takes credit for something in which isn't a winner (but he spins it like a fine Maytag so that it sounds like a winner).



The new Camaro is a wretched piece of an eyesore - from the mustang side flanks to a front end that is just plain ugly - the car has no shape on the outside and the back end looks too much like a Corvair to be Camaro. The interior is one of the worst ever seen on a show car. I predict that the same stupid 50,000 or so twits that bought the last generation will fork over their dollars (GM will charge a premium over comparably equipped Mustangs supposedly to finance their other bomb projects) for this. Whether or not you'd convince any would be Mustang purchaser (or Challenger buyer) to walk over to the Loser Lutz's stable remains to be seen.



But let's all join in and tell the real story about the anti-Midas touch that Lutz has. In the four years at GM, his success stories are non-existant. The same happened at Ford and Chrysler. He is all wind and no fury....unless he can cuss you out on his blog - the little whiner.]]>Jan 14th 2006 9:28AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/


I wouldn't mind seeing convertible concepts for the Camaro and Challenger to see how they translate.]]>Jan 14th 2006 9:38AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/


Well, I've got "disposable" cash now and American muscle cars are back in a big way so I bought a 1968 GTO instead of a new retro because it was actually cheaper. However, I have since realized "ergonomics" & "safety" in 1968 were simply terms in a dictionary, they were not words used to describe Detroit's products in 1968. Don't get me wrong, I love my GTO but I keep fixating on the new retro stuff because it offers more performance, safety, and convenience than my 38 y/o antique. ]]>Jan 14th 2006 10:20AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/
The current product line is awfull and has been for years. You have to get the customer into the showroom, it's all about style.

In 1949 Gm brought out a thing called a 2DR Hardtop, and the rest is history. Hint, Hint. It sickens me how the mighty have fallen.

Get it together GM or you are history!!! Your customers are praying for you!!!]]>Jan 14th 2006 10:28AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/


GM is a pathetically run company and has been for decades. That said, there are a few new designs coming out that are actually hot. But, they aren't any more hot than competitive products and that is GM's problem. A bit of too little too late.



You'll be glad to know that Waggoner works at home a few days a week. That is how he missed it. And, how said is it that the chairman has to step up on design decisions. What the hell does he know about design? Nada. I guess Waggoner never learned the management style of management by walking around. A superior method of rallying the troops, really understanding what is going on and getting ideas on what is right and wrong with the company. It's ok for a bubble gum factory owner to work at home a few days a week but the largest company on earth sans oil producers? He's out of touch without a sense of urgency.]]>Jan 14th 2006 11:28AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/


To scrap the original concept car for looking too much like the old Camaro, and rolling out this thing as being "retro" was pitiful. I wish I had been offered a shot at whatever it was they discarded.



I owned a couple of the original pony cars, and I love what they have done to the Mustang. I've been waiting for the "Shelby," but that Challenger is making me think twice. If they put that retro Challenger on the street with the horsepower to match it's looks, I'll want to test drive it before making a decision.



If any of these retro builders designed their car with original chrome bumpers (I know they'd have to switch for production), and left the design such that an aftermarket chrome could be bolted into place - that would sell me.



As for this "Camaro" - who would have looked at that car and thought they werelooking at a 69 Camaro? Even when they tell me what it's supposed to remind me of, it doesn't.]]>Jan 14th 2006 12:01PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/Jan 14th 2006 12:04PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/Jan 14th 2006 12:30PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/


I have to strongly disagree. Stop looking into the past and start looking ahead. Finally GM is gettin some quality stuff out there and I think this car has a hell of a lot more public appeal then the Challenger or the Mustang. Both Ford and DCX went way too retro and tried to turn and old car into a new one. GM has the right idea here of taking certain aspects of the old Camaro's and incorperating them into a totally new design. I Cant wait for the numbers to come out because I would put my money on the Camaro being the better buy for the performance. This car undoubtly has that ugly Challeneger and Mustang beat!]]>Jan 14th 2006 12:30PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/


Well, having worked in the design studio of one of the 'Big Three' for a number of years, I can tell you that this is really the way it works - upper management is almost completely isolated from the studio, and is fed information only occasionally and even when that's the case, it's a big, pre-planned and packaged event. The Design Directors hurriedly shuffle the design minions back into their cubicles to surf the internet so they can run around and parade their latest creations to the CEO. This is usually one of the only times a CEO-level exec ever sees a design-in-progress. You'd NEVER catch this level of exec wandering into the design studios unannounced, at least at the company I can speak of.

CEO-level execs are basically kept very out-of-touch from the real process so their people can feed them just what they want them to hear that will make them look good. Sometimes this is good because they'd be just another person who thinks they can design and would want their input, but there seems to also be a missed opportunity for the company leadership to know what's going out the door with the company name on it.

This is another reason why the big American car companies are slipping faster than Tara Reid's dress on awards night.

Thanks.]]>Jan 14th 2006 12:44PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/


#4 The reason retro designs work isn't because the designs are spitting images of the originals, its because they hearken those images and revive their soul. While the Charger is a beutiful design, its a design from the 1960's, not a throwback. The Mustang suffers from this problem, although not as much. The Camaro incorporates some of the design from the original without copying it, and thats why i think this design is better. I applaud Wagoner's desicion to change it from a copy to this.



I realize GM's management needs to be shaken up and changed a bit, but for once, applaud GM for not going the easy route by copying its original design. The new Camaro isn't perfect, and will need some touch-ups, but its a NEW Camaro not a 1969...



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The only thing wrong with the concept camaro is the front end. It looks like the front end of the old Caddie symbol.



Bleech!]]>Jan 14th 2006 3:16PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/






Yet, Bobby says "it's all his".







Take the Lucerne - a car that sounds like a carton of milk. It features a whale face stuck onto a Passat. Inside it is more dullness than you can shake a stick at. The overall design is so compelling that in a car show visit last week, no one bothered to visit it (along with the LaCrosse) during my 20 minute stay on the side of General, er, Private Motors' display.







When you look at the Lutz record, you don't see any hits. He is either late to the party and takes credit for the successes of others, or he takes credit for something in which isn't a winner (but he spins it like a fine Maytag so that it sounds like a winner).







The new Camaro is a wretched piece of an eyesore - from the mustang side flanks to a front end that is just plain ugly - the car has no shape on the outside and the back end looks too much like a Corvair to be Camaro. The interior is one of the worst ever seen on a show car. I predict that the same stupid 50,000 or so twits that bought the last generation will fork over their dollars (GM will charge a premium over comparably equipped Mustangs supposedly to finance their other bomb projects) for this. Whether or not you'd convince any would be Mustang purchaser (or Challenger buyer) to walk over to the Loser Lutz's stable remains to be seen.







But let's all join in and tell the real story about the anti-Midas touch that Lutz has. In the four years at GM, his success stories are non-existant. The same happened at Ford and Chrysler. He is all wind and no fury....unless he can cuss you out on his blog - the little whiner.]]>Jan 14th 2006 3:18PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/
They should especially come in handy here in San Diego - our harsh winters and all.]]>Jan 14th 2006 5:43PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/


He should keep working at home (or wherever he is) and let the designers (who have spent years and years studying and practicing DESIGN) do the designing.]]>Jan 14th 2006 6:23PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/14/detroit-show-wrapup-camaro-concept-received-emergency-reworking/Jan 14th 2006 10:54PM