Now there's a brand I can talk about from experience. In fact, I've purchased 2 Audis in the last 2 years. And they were both Certified Pre-Owned. One came from the dealer and the other was from a private-party sale of a CPO A4. Regarding the A3, I've driven it, but I'll defer the driving reviews to the car magazines (or Walt). Although we're talking about comparing two Audis, the CPO versus new question can be applied to a wide range of makes. James M., since your question was brief, I'll base this on an assumption that you want to spend about the same for the A3 and the A4 CPO, which puts you in a 2004 to 2002 with less than 30,000 miles.
After the jump, there's a summary for those of you not familiar with the Certified Pre-Owned car programs. (A4 wagon shown above)
(Audi A3 at right)
WHAT IS CPO?
CPO cars start out just like any other used car. Dealers get them in trade-ins, dealer
trades, auctions, etc. But they must meet a criteria set by each manufacturer that offer CPO programs. These cars tend
to: have less than 40,000 miles on the odometer, be younger than 4-years-old, not have sustained major structural
damage and have clean titles. Then, they must pass a manufacturer mandated mechanical and body inspection. If the car
passes those tests, they add on an extra warranty period, with some companies covering up to 100,000 and 10 years from
when the car was first sold. On average, I've found Audi CPO cars to cost about 5-10% more than the non-certified
counterpart with its 7-year, 100,000 mile warranty. I've also seen them for far less on a Honda, for example.
What you're really paying for is an insurance policy. In fact, you can find third-party warranties for any brand of
cars that are not sold by dealers. The Audi CPO even comes with a deductible of $50 that must be paid per visit to the
doctor's office, I mean, service station. The sellers of these policies are betting that the average car will require
far less than what it cost in premiums. If the insurer has done a good job, these CPO cars are picked to minimize the
number of claims to the insurer, so theoretically, they should provide better reliability.
THE NEW CAR SMELL
You're certainly not the only one who is intoxicated by the smell of a
new car (A3 interior shown) and the shiny new features. I've bought several new cars and there's nothing like that new
car feeling. I had considered buying used, but I was concerned about the reliability. And being a total geek, I wanted
the latest and greatest technology in my car. These are legitimate concerns and that's why car companies are pushing
CPO programs to at least address the reliability concerns. Selling CPO cars also provide large margins for dealers and
that's why you find lots of certified car ads in local papers. And the better the used car sales, the better the resale
value on new cars. It's a great program for the car sellers.
LIVING WITH A CPO CAR
Depreciation and (although to a lesser degree than a new car) peace of
mind. A used car will cost you less in terms of depreciation and you know that there's a long warranty. In this case,
since the A3 is new, the depreciation numbers are just a guess. (A4 shown at right) Regarding the warranty, you'll have
to read the fine print to know what's really covered. In the case of the Audi, trim pieces, wear and tear, and
scheduled maintenance are not covered. For example, a cracked faux-wood grain trim piece on the driver's door is not
covered under the warranty. A major maintenance item, such as a timing belt replacement is not covered. A crack in the
b-pillar interior cover? Sorry. These are real repairs I had to deal with.
The best part about the CPO in my view is that it covers most mechanical parts (pun intended), including the
electrical components. Those are costly to fix, and I hope I never have to deal with it. And just between you and me,
Audis have a history of electrical glitches. I recently had a faulty oxygen sensor replaced, and I have had about 10
minor interior accessory issues repaired. Only 2 ended up not being covered. One issue took three visits to finally
fix, but since it was reported the first time around, it was included in the first $50 I paid at the first visit.
Most buyers understand why wear and tear and maintenance are not covered, but I've seen more than a few people blow
their gaskets over the trim pieces. Some dealers have replaced faulty cup holders under CPO warranty, while others have
refused. I've also found myself "saving up" repairs and taking a whole bunch into service at the same time to minimize
paying the per-visit deductible. I've used the CPO warranty service 2 times, one for each car, in the total of 30,000
miles since I bought them. So far, I'm about even.
Also, a CPO car does not add much resale value when you trade it in to a dealer. If you want to get more money for
your car, sell it private party. But that's probably another post.
THE COMPARISON
If you really want the newest car technology, that smell and
bumper-to-bumper coverage, the A3 (right) is a fun-to-drive car with practical cargo space - like a larger, more
aggressive Mini Cooper. If you want more passenger room, less depreciation (roughly $3,000 less over 5 years) and a
softer, more comfortable ride, the used A4 is your car. It provides a more pleasing interior with a design that should
stand up better to the test of time, if not a bit bland for some people. It does, however, lack the legroom in the
rear. If AWD is important to you, check to see when the A3s will start arriving with Quattro, as they are all
front-driven right now. This one's a tough call, and since I don't know enough about your needs, James, I'll have to
leave it at that. Please feel free to follow up, and everyone, feel free to give us your take. But I hope I have given
you a good idea as to living with a CPO car.
THE LONG VIEW
I've been more than happy with the Audis, despite their minor
problems. (A4 interior shown) But that's why I coughed up the money for a CPO. Even if I hadn't broken even on the
premium paid for the warranty, I feel better knowing I am covered for the unknown. Having bought used, the bottom line
is that my fiancée and I drive 2 Audis (a 2002 and a 1999) under warranty for less than the price of a new,
fully-loaded A4. And I am likely to buy CPO again.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
James McAuliffe @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
I just wanted to say thanks for responding to my question. This was VERY helpful
James McAuliffe @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
You really hit on a bunch of my concerns. I think im going to have to go drive both. I liked the analogy of a larger mini cooper. I think, at the very least, im going to wait till the Quattro's come out. I live in the northeast, and im converting back from an SUV. Im pretty sure i want the AWD. No i dont need it to get around, but it is nice to have. Another thing is that the A3 might depreciate a TON. As we all know, luxo hatchbacks havent done well in the states. Its funny, this might be one of the tougher picks. If i had said Bimmer vs. Audi, it would have been a little more straight forward
EricNH @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
I know a few ex owners of the last generation A4. All rushed to sell before the warranty expired. Spent too much time on repairs for nagging little electrical gremlins and other mechanical issues.
DaveKCMO @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
I would also like to say thanks. I've been cross-shopping the A3 with several other cars. I had previously looked at CPO A4s, and am glad you reminded me of that option.
Is the A3 really that much harsher of a ride?
Chris K @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
Very interesting, Ben!
You've had more than ten things break on your A4? Is that normal for Audis? Seems like a lot of problems to me.
James Wa;d @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
I wouldn't buy anything from Audi if I were you. I suffered through A4 and currently suffering through an A6. If you must have one, sell it before the warranty ends. Also, check out Audi sound boards. The only reliable thing about Audis is the check engine light which comes on regularly.
Ben Huh @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
#4, the A4 has a softer, more refined ride than the A3. The A3 is not at all harsh. You can opt for a sport package on the A3 if you want it to handle better.
#5, that's about 10 from 2 Audis, a '99 A4 and a '02 TT over 30,000 miles total. The were things like, a cupholder that wouldn't come out easily, 2 blown speakers and loose trim. Only one check engine light so far. Crossing my fingers.
#6, I too passed on a used A6, esp. the 2.7T engine, but the A4 and TTs were just fine.
tbyron @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
I've owned 3 Audi's and driven them to very high mileage without major problems. Our most recent is a 99 A6 Avant (2.8 V6) that currently has 104k and has never had a major problem. Camshaft seals had to be replaced at about 85k...that's it. And, I have never even seen the check engine light come on (no, it is not broken).
JayP @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
If you HAVE to have an Audi, I'd only settle for the perfect CPO. No settling on a tip when you wanted a manual or getting the turbo when you wanted a V6. There's too many lease returns to buy something you don't want.
Get the 100k warranty and buy your service advisor doughnuts. You'll probably see the SA more than your spouse.
The A3 may be the hot car but keep in mind the dealers may have trouble getting parts or may not have trained staff to handle A3 service. Something I had to deal with on my '97 A4.
Chris K @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
Ah, didn't realize it was two cars. Thanks.
2 squared @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
I also have a used 96 a4 2.8 with 107 miles on it and I have been happy with it. I bought used from a dealer at a really good deal, $6,200 about 3 years ago with 72k. No warranty. Only minor problems, window motor and tail light. I really like the A3 but need quatro for snowboarding in Taheo. In looking at the stock of a3 waiting to see the first of the quatros, I found an 01 a6, 2.7 turbo 6sp manual. I love the a6 but have never seen one with manual. So like your questions I am now thinking of the a6 with 42k miles and a price of $25k. Its not new but seem like a great deal since an a3 quatro will cost almost 30k. The one thing not mentioned in the reply is the new 2.0 engine. It has nice torque and great milage. The old 1.8 is peaky and not as good milage. The new engine was my driving factor for an A3, but the 2.7 turbo mmmm thats is also really good.
ells @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
i would go with the A3 with quattro. it will come out fairly soon. I'm sick of all these little girly A4's. Make the right decision and get an A3. Classic little german car i love it.
plus u get the warranty!!
and no i'm not an audi dealer
dave @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
A Quattro A3 will run you about $34K by the time its done. Thats A4 territory.
An A3 front drive with only a few options is $29K....
Steve @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
little A4's? anyway...
my experience with my pre-owned A4 was nothing but excellent. then i decided to put a bigger turbo, intercooler, chip it, etc. then I had some issues for about a month until I figured out what was wrong (loose secondary vacuum hose making the ECU do funny things). Since then its been running great. I have a friend with a 96 A4 (and boy, those were bad) who bought it used in 98 off someone his dad knew. Its been great for him, and he drives the hell out of the thing.
all cars have issues, I know folks with Toyota's that have had all sorts of problems. the difference is Audi's have specific known issues (just check the forums) but rarely have issues outside of these.
now to the question: CPO A4 until Americans begin to appreciate Audi's again and their resale value goes up. My friends have BMW's with higher resale value yet have had more issues with them than I care to go into, especially compared to my and other friends Audi's.
its all about perception.
garion @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
To the one looking at a quattro in the Northeast (#2)..
I have an A4 in Syracuse NY w/ quattro.. I've driven RWD (84 Monte Carlo), FWD(94 Pontiac GrandAm), 4WD(1991 Explorer) and now AWD through winters... AWD is far better in snow than any of the others.. Get a good set of snows (all 4 tires!), and conservative driving, and you'll be able to get whereever you want..
Driving past the "I have 4wd but have absolutly no idea how to drive" people stuck on the side of the road is fun...
Ben Huh @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
Regarding the 2.0T: I liked the engine a lot. Very tight, responsive and little lag. I see great things for its future (and lots more HP as they tune it better). But the jury's still out. It's a newer, more complex engine with lesser known long-term reliability. I'd get the A3 with the 3.2 V6 if I could.
Dustin @ Dec 19th 2005 12:29AM
We also have two A4s.
I really don't like being locked into Audi's leases, as they don't allow you to sell it to another party like BMW does. Limits the ability for you to sell your lease, just in case you guys were thinking about it.